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科大內地生自殺事件

科大有內地生自殺,日前有報章報導,內地生批評科大如「學界天水圍」,說「科大位置偏遠」、「交通不太方便」、「來回市區隨時花上兩小時」......令學生「平日難以到市區耍樂鬆弛」......。

如果這些報導屬實,藍天蔚著實覺得可笑。如果說這些話的,是一個長年住在旺角、銅鑼灣的人,一下樓便是全港最旺的地段,藍天蔚尚且信服,但是內地生批評科大「偏遠」,簡直是笑話。筆者也讀過科大,科大處於清水灣、不是在大嶼山的貝澳,那裡雖然在海邊,但並不偏遠。以往地鐵未延至將軍澳時,我們一群同學從科大乘298直達藍田商場,從彩虹那邊往旺角也不太遠──雖然到銅鑼灣還是比較少,不單是因為遠,而是因為物價比較貴。

對香港人來說,科大的確遠,但是,大陸地大,在上海,從浦東到浦西也要一小時,在鄉鎮長大的學生,從鄉間到最近的市鎮,半小時車程是少不免的,他們在內地上學,如果不是寄宿,每天從學校回到家中,「閒閒地」一小時是尋常,相比起科大,一小時一定能到達旺角,藍天蔚實在不明白科大對大陸學生來說,為什麼會是「偏遠」。科大是一個很細小的校園,如果這批大陸學生,到了中大,在新亞書或逸夫住,校巴永遠不會來,從宿舍走到火車站要廿分鐘,那豈不是要覺得自己在坐牢?到了外國的大學城,在校園內要騎單車,那豈不是生不如死?如果嫌科大「偏遠」,那麼轉到城大吧,在大商場側上課好嗎?轉到理大吧,在隧道出口,一定方便!或者轉到台灣的政治大學,校門就在台北路邊,多方便啊!

說香港讀書壓力大,老實說,你老遠從大陸來,不就是想學點在大陸學不到的東西?如果不是的話,為什麼要來香港捱貴學費、貴生活費?科大的壓力,在於太多mid-term,對學士學位來說,藍天蔚覺得是過份著重學業成績。大學,尤其學士學位的教育,理應不需太著重純知識的傳播,而是著重訓練思維和視野、訓練"to learn how to learn"。在科大,有些科目一個學期有兩個mid-term,一個final,即是上一個月堂已考mid-term,是有點過份,也學不到如何"learn how to learn",只學到"how to memorize"。在科大讀undergrad,隨時變高分低能並不出奇。

但是,讀研究院有點不同。研究院應該真正著重學問發展。讀研究院的學生,已有廿二、三歲,應該有能力自我管理和發展,需要的,應是大學教授傳播知識。大學要求高是合理。說在研究院辛苦、大壓力?不要來吧!

86 則留言:

Hiuman 提到...

即使是博士課程,每一科的課程時數亦只有三十六小時。完全係水過鴨背,都唔知真係吸收得幾多?

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Hiuman,

讀到phD, 應該係自己識架啦,其實連堂都唔使點上,自己讀晒本書咪得囉。

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匿名 提到...

totally agree to your comments except for those on midterms.

i also studied in UST for my undergrad. however, only about half of the courses i took have 2 midterms.

if there are more midterms, the topics covered in each midterm are supposed to be fewer.... i personally didn't know any schoolmate (in business school) have problem handling exams.

UST is run in a more US style. it is known to be more academic demanding compared to other univeristies in hk (which is normal bc UST doesn't have undergrad degrees in arts or social sciences). i wonder why the students didn't get enough info before coming to UST.

藍天蔚 提到...

Anonymous,

I didn't contrast you (I believe). But my own reservation about too many midterms are that, it's not quite possible to test students on "knowledge" instead of "information".

What I now still remember about the mid-terms are multiple choices. Of course, if well designed, multiple choice can be a good way to test students. But my feeling was that, the depth of testing at that time was not even comparable with that of HKCEE. It's about whether you've read/memorized contents in notes or textbook.

And assessing students in this way is not always good at testing the potential of everyone. I may say, for some kind of ppl, you may find their strength by giving time for time to really "digest" the knowledge. I am certainly one of these ppl.

Of course, it can be changed already. We may be at different stage of its development.

Moreover, students may know the style of the university but somehow, it's not really up to their choices whether they want to be there. I don't but I have. A long and personal story that I am not going to talk about here.

Lam Tin Wai

sky 提到...

hi lam,

first time i left a message - i didn't know how these things work, so i just click anonymous.

for most of us admitted to the uni from hk, we didn't really have a choice cos we are basically "allocated" to the uni and programme. however, for students from china, they actually got offers from different uni (both in hk and china), so if they don't like the exams in ust, they should blame themselves. well exams and teaching style vary from dept to dept, so maybe we should not be too harsh... but the location of ust can be found from a map. in fact i like ust bc it's far away from the city!

i personal feeling about midterms:
the need and level of memorisation is more related to the subject itself, the expectation/style of prof and the individual's own preferred way of study, but less to the frequency of midterms. i didn't find too much to memorise back in my undergrad (finance and operations management).

it's common that a certain weight of marks were awarded to applying the logic, which kinda differentiate the best students from those who could only memorise. the good side of those midterms is you wouldn't get too low as long as you spent a bit of time on the books. i think that's more meaningful and encouraging than making a full paper of tricky questions which enidng up failing half of the class.

i believe the pressure of studying in ust was not how many midterms for each subject, but the fact that grades were given in relative to the peer (i.e. mean grade, std deviation). so throughout the 3 years the students had to stay competitive (and learn logical thinking to get the last 10-20 marks of each exam paper in order to stay ahead from those only memorise). this testing system is common in uni from many countries.

btw, i don't quite agree "在科大讀undergrad,隨時變高分低能並不出奇". this comment is not impossible, but i doubt how likely it is. if i define 高分=first honours. those (about) 10% of students who consistently outperformed others would hardly be 低能. as i said, students who only memorised the books were not likely to get the last 10-20 marks. graduates with first honour from ust i have encountered in school or at work so far have always proved their ability...

of course if 高分=second honour, i.e. students above average but not the creme de creme, then the possibility of "在科大讀undergrad,隨時變高分低能並不出奇" could happen.

disclaimer: (1) my personal experience were from my studies at ust's business school. (2) i don't have a 1st honour from ust, i am 高分低能並不出奇.

藍天蔚 提到...

Hi Sky,

Actually, I skipped lessons frequently. May be I shouldn't count myself an alumni there.

Whether can first hon be "低能".

Firstly, skills for securing good marks are different from skills for living, for working and etc. So even for those with really good marks, it doesn't mean that he has the skills or the "intelligent" or even the common sense on the most simplest thing.

Secondly, I didn't mean that ppl of good marks in UST are 高分低能. They can be come from any universities. (We had one from Stanford now in Hong Kong running for Legco election. I don't know if her marks were high, but she is certainly......well....far from satisfactory, when we're talking about representing Hong Kong ppl, I would say.) UST alumni do not need to come and persuade me that performance of UST ppl are spectacular!

Well, in the past when I heard negative comments in newspaper columns or between friends on performance of U grads, I wondered if ppl exaggerate. (actually, "victims" of these criticisms were from all universities.) But after personal experience, I believe now that this kind of ppl exist in the world.

Sorry that I can't discuss the details or I will disclose some personal information.

However, I experienced so many times that the scenarios made me think "Oh, come on. Have you ever used any bit of your brain to think about that!"

And of course, it's hard to share the feelings if you haven't met similar situations. And if that is the case, it's your luck.

And may be I am a person too harsh for everything. Anyway.

Disclaimer: I was lousy when I was in UST. :-)

Lam Tin Wai

sky 提到...

i always find those criticisms about ugrads in hk unfair. i am quite sure top 10% of the boys and girls in hk nowadays are smarter (in terms of knowledge, language and skillsets for work) than the kids 20 to 40 years ago. however, the bottom 10% are exposed now when 20 years ago these ppl left schools and nobody cared about.

an obvious fact is when schools admit more students, the range of students' ability gets more extreme. so ppl criticising are comparing a normal curve (student quality now) against a curve of dirac delta function (student quality in the past).

i have also met some lousy ugrads but the proportion is not as extreme as the newspapers claim (just a couple out of 30-40 new ugrads i met each year). ppl make mistakes, and sometimes silly ones. should we have a more realistic expectation on others? esp according to the salary they are paid if we are talking about employees?

i don't mind ppl criticising a named person, a soceity or a company, but i just can't agree how hk media (as an institution of the society) criticising ppl of a particular (disadvantaged) age group without any objective study. this is not politics or religions we're talking about, the media can't simply say we like it or hate it without showing sound arguments.

p.s. i was reading some of your older posts yesterday - nice articles! the message is well conveyed and my thinking is stimulated. keep it up :p

藍天蔚 提到...

Sky,

thanks. I agree that those smart young ppl are really smart. And I agree that these ppl should be far better than the last generation.

But I want to add one point: That "10%" can never be distinguished solely by academic achievements. They can be recognized by meeting them, working with them and etc. Academic achievements can be an indicator when we want to find them out. However, sometimes, they fool ppl.

It's quite interesting that sometimes I met really good ppl and they're not even good at their HKCEE results. They even can't enter universities. However, in the totally opposite side, I met graduates from universities who can't do the simplest duty in the world.

Ppl criticize may be because they expect the education system helps them to distinguish the cream and the others but quite clearly, it did not. Ppl expected those with good academic results should be up to some acceptable level on common sense and whatever. When they don't have it, they criticize. This is logical.

And, thanks for your kind words to my articles. I am really pleased that there're ppl subscribing this blog, though the number is not big. But after all, this is a kind of encouragement, isn't it.

Lam Tin Wai

匿名 提到...

well.. check this out

http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/kocy_hk/article?mid=287

i couldn't wonder, how come those UST students & those who come from China can be so self-centered.

藍天蔚 提到...

Anonymous,

May be because they are the only 1 child in their family.

In HK, many parents still want to have 2 children so that they learn how to work/live with others.

Those in their 20s were born in late 70s to early 80s. They're products of single-child policy.

Lam Tin Wai

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